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		<title>By: AM</title>
		<link>http://sexual-sanity.com/2009/11/facing-cross-addictions/#comment-7360</link>
		<dc:creator>AM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thank you for your words of support.  Today was one of those days I appreciate them the most.

It has been six months since D-Day, three months into celibacy between us (he would say he has been sober for six months, but I would disagree and I have no way to know if he relapsed during any of this time.)  I think cross addiction is probably the norm, and from observation within my limited experience, a pervasive misery about life and feeding that misery is the baseline for many addictive behaviors.

He is trying to overcome his compulsion to lie and communicate more openly.  He is trying to stop smoking but we will see if that lasts longer than previous attempts.  He is trying to spend more carefully but failed miserably in September.  The food addiction is proving more difficult.

The ever present misery addiction is being fed by the rollercoaster of shame and pain that he and I go round and round about - my deep pain and emotional cycling maintains his emotional highs and lows and transfers his obsessions to my emotional state rather than focusing on his own issues.  I&#039;ve read that being in a supportive relationship increases the chances for a sex addict to recover, but I&#039;ve also read that addicts should wait a year of sobriety before being in a relationship, and I&#039;m not sure a devastated wife and crumbled marriage counts as a supportive relationship.

As for the work of recovery, he does all the outward passive things: attends SA group and meetings every week, therapy every other week, meditates and walks for exercise somewhat regularly, reads and reads and reads.    He has done the New Warrior weekend, which seemed to help alot, but that was still participatory rather than he initation his own recovery work.

He, so far, has not done the difficult work of applying the activities in those books he reads, hasn&#039;t actually started on the steps, doesn&#039;t journal like his therapist requested, doesn&#039;t do strenuous exercise or keep a regular schedule or carefully watch his sleep and diet and activity or call his sponsor every week or have a written plan for long term recovery or even a written plan for if he feels a lapse coming on.  So, he is maybe a quarter of the way moving forward.  

I have seen some positive changes, but not enough to qualify as a life overhaul needed to rewire the brain and really recover.  At least not to the level which would provide me more comfort and hope.  There are days I want to reach out to him with love and compassion, and other days that I shiver with disgust and overwhelming need to run away, and other days I just cry.

I am doing some of my work to recover from the trauma: therapy, family or origin exercises, trying to sleep and eat better (lost 30 lbs and my doctor is concerned), maintaining my support group, trying to keep myself together to minimize the cycling, lots of journaling, lots of reading, learning better communication skills, trying to fend off depression and despair.  

This post got really long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank you for your words of support.  Today was one of those days I appreciate them the most.</p>
<p>It has been six months since D-Day, three months into celibacy between us (he would say he has been sober for six months, but I would disagree and I have no way to know if he relapsed during any of this time.)  I think cross addiction is probably the norm, and from observation within my limited experience, a pervasive misery about life and feeding that misery is the baseline for many addictive behaviors.</p>
<p>He is trying to overcome his compulsion to lie and communicate more openly.  He is trying to stop smoking but we will see if that lasts longer than previous attempts.  He is trying to spend more carefully but failed miserably in September.  The food addiction is proving more difficult.</p>
<p>The ever present misery addiction is being fed by the rollercoaster of shame and pain that he and I go round and round about &#8211; my deep pain and emotional cycling maintains his emotional highs and lows and transfers his obsessions to my emotional state rather than focusing on his own issues.  I&#8217;ve read that being in a supportive relationship increases the chances for a sex addict to recover, but I&#8217;ve also read that addicts should wait a year of sobriety before being in a relationship, and I&#8217;m not sure a devastated wife and crumbled marriage counts as a supportive relationship.</p>
<p>As for the work of recovery, he does all the outward passive things: attends SA group and meetings every week, therapy every other week, meditates and walks for exercise somewhat regularly, reads and reads and reads.    He has done the New Warrior weekend, which seemed to help alot, but that was still participatory rather than he initation his own recovery work.</p>
<p>He, so far, has not done the difficult work of applying the activities in those books he reads, hasn&#8217;t actually started on the steps, doesn&#8217;t journal like his therapist requested, doesn&#8217;t do strenuous exercise or keep a regular schedule or carefully watch his sleep and diet and activity or call his sponsor every week or have a written plan for long term recovery or even a written plan for if he feels a lapse coming on.  So, he is maybe a quarter of the way moving forward.  </p>
<p>I have seen some positive changes, but not enough to qualify as a life overhaul needed to rewire the brain and really recover.  At least not to the level which would provide me more comfort and hope.  There are days I want to reach out to him with love and compassion, and other days that I shiver with disgust and overwhelming need to run away, and other days I just cry.</p>
<p>I am doing some of my work to recover from the trauma: therapy, family or origin exercises, trying to sleep and eat better (lost 30 lbs and my doctor is concerned), maintaining my support group, trying to keep myself together to minimize the cycling, lots of journaling, lots of reading, learning better communication skills, trying to fend off depression and despair.  </p>
<p>This post got really long.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://sexual-sanity.com/2009/11/facing-cross-addictions/#comment-7356</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AM - wow that&#039;s a long list ... lots of stuff going on there. How are you doing, in the midst of a relationship with someone who is struggling like that? It seems like you have a sense that he is not doing what is needed to address these things. It&#039;s hard when your partner is not doing what they need to do to get help (or maybe they&#039;re doing things, but the change is not happening very fast). Hang in there.

- Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AM &#8211; wow that&#8217;s a long list &#8230; lots of stuff going on there. How are you doing, in the midst of a relationship with someone who is struggling like that? It seems like you have a sense that he is not doing what is needed to address these things. It&#8217;s hard when your partner is not doing what they need to do to get help (or maybe they&#8217;re doing things, but the change is not happening very fast). Hang in there.</p>
<p>- Mark</p>
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		<title>By: AM</title>
		<link>http://sexual-sanity.com/2009/11/facing-cross-addictions/#comment-7355</link>
		<dc:creator>AM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My take on my heavily cross addicted, sex addicted husband:  addictions in order they were acquired (most likely) - lying (hiding true self, due to emotional incest at very young age) &gt; sex (women as objects even before he knew what women were about, due to early pornography exposure, sexual abuse, emotional incest continuing) &gt; stress eating (filling the emptiness with food, from combined affects of previous issues and hiding his true self) &gt; fantasy (reading, movies, comics, sex, as emotional escape from mounting issues, social isolation and also serves to increase social isolation) &gt; spending (filling himself with things, once he was financially independent) &gt; smoking (instant gratification of nicotine rush) - overall, an addiction to being miserable and discovering new ways to make sure he stays miserable and trying to fill the hole in his personhood the misery creates.  Misery, self doubt, self hatred, guilt, avoidance, supression, instant gratification at the expense of self esteem, health, and long term contentment - those are the physical, neurological and chemical pathways in his brain he most reinforces all his life, so he is miserable and impulsive about everything.  His quick fix addictions medicate his misery so it always festers in the background and remains his guiding star in life, desparate to be washed away, never formally acknowledged and brought into the light to be addressed so that his brain might be rewired, his misery released, his patience rewarded.  Finding ways to combat an addiction to misery (and instant gratification to bury it) may be the hardest hurdle of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on my heavily cross addicted, sex addicted husband:  addictions in order they were acquired (most likely) &#8211; lying (hiding true self, due to emotional incest at very young age) &gt; sex (women as objects even before he knew what women were about, due to early pornography exposure, sexual abuse, emotional incest continuing) &gt; stress eating (filling the emptiness with food, from combined affects of previous issues and hiding his true self) &gt; fantasy (reading, movies, comics, sex, as emotional escape from mounting issues, social isolation and also serves to increase social isolation) &gt; spending (filling himself with things, once he was financially independent) &gt; smoking (instant gratification of nicotine rush) &#8211; overall, an addiction to being miserable and discovering new ways to make sure he stays miserable and trying to fill the hole in his personhood the misery creates.  Misery, self doubt, self hatred, guilt, avoidance, supression, instant gratification at the expense of self esteem, health, and long term contentment &#8211; those are the physical, neurological and chemical pathways in his brain he most reinforces all his life, so he is miserable and impulsive about everything.  His quick fix addictions medicate his misery so it always festers in the background and remains his guiding star in life, desparate to be washed away, never formally acknowledged and brought into the light to be addressed so that his brain might be rewired, his misery released, his patience rewarded.  Finding ways to combat an addiction to misery (and instant gratification to bury it) may be the hardest hurdle of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Denyse Buttrey</title>
		<link>http://sexual-sanity.com/2009/11/facing-cross-addictions/#comment-7323</link>
		<dc:creator>Denyse Buttrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really is such a brilliant write-up. I&#039;ve been hunting for this information for a long time now and then finally stumbled onto your internet site. Thank you so much for posting this, this has helped me out enormously. By the way I really like the style of the site, looks outstanding, did you develop it all by yourself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really is such a brilliant write-up. I&#8217;ve been hunting for this information for a long time now and then finally stumbled onto your internet site. Thank you so much for posting this, this has helped me out enormously. By the way I really like the style of the site, looks outstanding, did you develop it all by yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://sexual-sanity.com/2009/11/facing-cross-addictions/#comment-2065</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post. I have found that recovery has involved facing other things besides just sex stuff too. It&#039;s funny and sad how we wind up turning to whatever we can to try to find comfort, or whatever it is we&#039;re looking for. Can&#039;t find it in sex, can&#039;t find it in a bottle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post. I have found that recovery has involved facing other things besides just sex stuff too. It&#8217;s funny and sad how we wind up turning to whatever we can to try to find comfort, or whatever it is we&#8217;re looking for. Can&#8217;t find it in sex, can&#8217;t find it in a bottle.</p>
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